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Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« on: July 22, 2008, 01:31:50 PM »
Following this post I'm going to post some thoughts about driver safety in the staging lanes and would like constructive thoughts along this line.  I plan on taking what is said in this thread and possibly editing out irrelevant posts (hopefully none) and presenting this to the SCTA board for consideration.  I would also ask that you only respond if you are a driver or a crew member that has participated at the August Speed Week event.  If you would like your comments to be included in what I present please sign your post with your real name and if possible the type of car/bike you are/have been associated with.

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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2008, 01:54:40 PM »
Yesterday in a PM correspondence with one of the board members here (he can disclose his identity if he so desires) he mentioned that he wasn't going to bring the race car he is associated with for many years to the salt in August due to the heat in staging and the requirement to be in the car suited and buckled up 3 cars back.  He mentioned that he had heat exhaustion last year as a result of this situation.  I like the heat as I get older, but I'm also getting paranoid about the heat I might have to endure in my lakester during the August meet.

Now we are very careful about driver safety in the car once it is under way, but if we are having these types of problems that could prove just as deadly in staging maybe it is time to look at what might be done.

I realize we all want to race and don't want to hold up the line or have others hold us up, but if we ran 10-15 cars/bikes less a day due to occasional hold ups would that kill us.  I think instead of rigidly enforcing the suited/belted up 3 cars back like was done last year maybe we could let the team decide when they had to do this and still be ready when it was time for their car to run.

If it was time for them to run and they weren't ready in a reasonable time then move them to the side.  I think that maybe just a little more slack might be shown during the hottest time of the day, say between 1 and an 5 or so, especially on those 100+ days like we had last year.

One last thing, we are usually staged in 2 lines per course and will have two cars/bikes next to each other at the start (zero mile marker) waiting to be flagged off.  The starter will alternate back and forth between the 2 rows.  Now what sometimes happens is that the next car/bike that is suppose to run isn't ready, can't fire, or has another problem.  Now they move to the car next to it and want it to run immediately when they thought they still had like 5 minutes or so before they were going to run as the other vehicle has to go down and clear the course.  For some of us that 3-5 minutes is taken up with the very last things you have to do before the car can leave the line.  I would just ask that if we are asked to run before we were suppose to that there might be a little more patience with us.

Now anyone have thoughts?

Thanks,

Sum
« Last Edit: July 22, 2008, 01:59:28 PM by Sumner »

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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2008, 02:05:54 PM »
I can remember Eliece Tucker wiping my face and neck with an iced towel, when I was in line and stuck for a while. Sure helped.  RF

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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2008, 02:11:27 PM »
i've always had the suspicion that firesuits work so well at B-Ville because they are soaking wet.

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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2008, 02:13:47 PM »
We've been on the line, awaiting the vehicle next to us before it's our turn -- when said next-door neighbor wouldn't fire.  The starters were kind to us, especially when we explained that we needed XX-seconds between starting the engine and leaving the line for our run, said time being necessary for certain clock functions in the bike to complete their start-up cycle.  And we also would have to button/zip/velcro those last minute things like the top of the zipper on the leathers and the neck strap on the helmet -- things that we don't do until, for instance, the vehicle next to us leaves (so we don't suffer excessively from the heat).

Both Nancy and I wear two-piece leathers, and we usually put on the pants way back -- maybe a half-dozen vehicles behind the line, so it's 12 that have to run before it's our turn.  Then, with maybe 5 or 6 more before us - we'll don the jacket and start the final dressing/getting ready.  By the time we're one vehicle back from the line we've become pretty much fully-dressed, and have removed the rear stand from the bike (we don't do that 'til the latest possible moment so the rider doesn't have to use some of his heat-sapped energy to hold the thing upright).  So -- when it's our turn to be in front of the line, the only stuff left to do is what I mentioned above -- Zip, tuck, fasten, start the engine, wait the timers, and then wait for Jim or Wes or bob or whomever to give us the "go" sign.

And the crew that's helping us makes sure we're hydrated, and we wear those water-soaked neckbands 'til the last possible moment, too.
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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2008, 02:21:19 PM »
I have suggested in the past that canopys like the ones in inspection be set up neat the starting line with a drive thru lane for the larger tow trucks. Make them 4 vehicles wide and on each course.
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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2008, 02:28:49 PM »
Sumner said:

"I would also ask that you only respond if you are a driver or a crew member that has participated at the August Speed Week event."
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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2008, 02:50:10 PM »
I think as a driver there are a lot of things you can do to help yourself. Drink lots of water/sports drinks while you are in line. Heat exhaustion comes on a lot quicker if you let your body get behind on liquids and drinking some water just before you suit up might be too late. Bring shade, even an umbrella helps, we have someone holding it for the driver as soon as he starts getting in the car. I get ready in stages, three cars back (remember 3=6 cars with 2 lines) I start getting in my suit, two cars back I get in the seat, and one car back get the seat belts cinched down just as the car ahead of me is taking off (we usually light the car while that car is running), that just leaves the car in the other line to go while I'm all set. Using this method I have never held up the line. Of course the roadster is pretty easy get into and ready, in a streamliner you may have to start earlier.

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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2008, 02:50:48 PM »
Sum,

you know where I'm when I'm not with my team at salt......normally, if I be not on the 6 mile marker...I'm in front of the starting line with my camera.

From this place I can see very well what's going on on the starting line.

And I remember last year August very well - the first time that I really start to sweat.

But still under this condition the most of the teams done there job very well without delay - and if someone had a problem to get the racer running the starter checked the next racer and let them running if they was ready to go.

I fear, there is not too much to do to improve the speed of the starts from this side.

But also I know the problem with the waiting, especially if you got a small lakester or streamliner where it is hard to get the driver properlly in - it's always a long procedure and time to get the seatbelt right and the car ready.

For us, with our extreme small streamliner, we create our step by step rule.

About five rows between us and the starting line the driver went into his suite, helmet on, cloves on.

four rows - driver get in the racer and we get the seatbelt on.

From there on he got cool air into the cockpit by a air cooling system - looks similar to a ice cooler - also a plastic box filled with ice but with a integrated fan which blows air through a flexibel tube. This tube goes into the cockpit and give the driver cool air. The system is powered by a small generator unit.

What's really important is, that during the time in line, that the cockpit canopy is closed and the windshield is covered with a blanket, so that the heat/sun can get into the cockpit.

Also important is, that the driver/rider get enough to drink - best, cold water.

Last year WoS, the first day was also hot. After a crash there was a delay. Some of the riders wear there leathers the whole time they wait. Due to the lack that the trailer was gone and nothing to drink they start to be exhaust from the heat. I took some of my cold water bottles out and gave them to the rider.

If other teams or spectator see a so situation, it would be great if they done the same to this racers.

 
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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2008, 03:06:27 PM »
I think as a driver there are a lot of things you can do to help yourself. Drink lots of water/sports drinks while you are in line. Heat exhaustion comes on a lot quicker if you let your body get behind on liquids and drinking some water just before you suit up might be too late. Bring shade, even an umbrella helps, we have someone holding it for the driver as soon as he starts getting in the car. I get ready in stages, three cars back (remember 3=6 cars with 2 lines) I start getting in my suit, two cars back I get in the seat, and one car back get the seat belts cinched down just as the car ahead of me is taking off (we usually light the car while that car is running), that just leaves the car in the other line to go while I'm all set. Using this method I have never held up the line. Of course the roadster is pretty easy get into and ready, in a streamliner you may have to start earlier.

Remember, Hydrate, Hydrate, Hydrate

Dallas this is how I would like to see it happen, but last year, maybe due to new management they seemed to be pretty intent on having you in the car and ready to go 3 cars back, which as you mentioned is really 6 cars back and probably 15 to 25 minutes from actually running.

I wonder if they will leave it up to us as to when we need to be in the car or will it be a repeat of last year?

Sum

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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2008, 03:09:05 PM »
I have suggested in the past that canopys like the ones in inspection be set up neat the starting line with a drive thru lane for the larger tow trucks. Make them 4 vehicles wide and on each course.
I like this idea. I try to drink lots of water and gatoraid while waiting.Wet towels on my head when strapped in waiting and Celia will pour a bottle of cold water down my back. I also take a bottle of gatoraid bungied to the floor of the car and usually have it drank before Celia gets to the top end to get me. The amazing thing is that I'm almost dry after a pass.
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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2008, 03:22:27 PM »
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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »
I have a cool shirt I intend to wear while in the car.  And I am looking at the portable unit to wear while standing next to the car before I get in.  The tubes have a dry break quick disconnect.  I am strapping the box to the cage in the car.

The box is small and the shirt is comfortable.  There is a temp control to govern the pump speed to get away from the on/off or full cool / no cool with on off switch only.  They also have vests for the crew :-)

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Re: Driver Safety in Staging Lanes........
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2008, 04:18:48 PM »
Make sure it's attached by a brackets, hose clamps and tie wraps don't work very well. It's like anything that can be jarred loose and bounce around the cockpit. Trust me the inspectors will be looking for things like this.
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