Milwaukee Midget

[fordboy628]

DYNO HEADER POSSIBILITIES. . . . . . . .

Midget,

Courtesy of the Northern Illinois Mini Maven, here are 2 possibilies available for loan out. . . . . .

Set 1: 1 3/8 x 1 1/2 x 1 3/8  LCB   primary length approx 24"

Set 2: 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 x 1 1/2  LCB   primary length approx 24"

Maven thinks he has a set of small diameter (1 1/4 or 1 3/8) Winners Circle 3 into 1, available if they reappear.  Will need to review PipeMax simulation sheets to determine starting sizes/lengths.

edit: What are the sizes/lengths of your current header??

 
Fordboy

[fordboy628]

Will, it adapt to a BMC "B"?

Midget, Don,

Does the MGB have a separate bellhousing?   Or is it like the "A" series, with the bellhousing integrated with the transmission case?   A serarate bellhousing would allow a simple "flat plate" adaptor, between the Superflow absorber unit and the "B" bellhousing.   The Superflow absorber unit has both Chevy & Ford transmission mount patterns drilled into it.  Have made several adaptors of this type, notably Jag 3.8/4.2, and Chrysler 392/354/331 Hemi.   Much simpler and cheaper adaptor than what is required for "A" series.
 
Fordboy

Midget, Don,

http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29012
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29014

Based on the Moss Motors parts diagrams for  both early and late model MGB/MGC's it looks like the bellhousing is integrated to the transmission case.  That's bad news. . .   the adaptor has to be the more complicated and larger type.  Reasonably large project.   Will it be dynoed with the huffer?

Mock-up parts needed for engineering specs:  Block with crank installed; stock rear block plate & bolts; stock (or race) flywheel and f/w bolts; starter & bolts.

Hope to not derail the "green Speckled Hen" timeline. . . . . .         OK, time for a cold one or two or three. . . . . . .
 
Fordboy

[fordboy628]

Midget, Don,

http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/clutch/ft_201a.htm

True to Pommey car form, this is far more complicated than it needs to be.  (Cheap cars can be manufactured cheaper, when the mfg is willing to use whatever parts are "over-runs" from other sources.)   There are apparently several pressure plate mounting bolt patterns for MGB, (3 ?), and a couple more if you want to try to include MGC's and possibly MGA's.   Chris, any idea which one corresponds to your "B"?

If you want to include the "B" clutch pattern on the "A" drive plate, (should be no problem. . . ? ?), we will need to have a sample flywheel to measure for the engineering.   Now you know why I had so many drive adaptors @ PHP. . . . . .

Kind of makes you long for the simplicity of a Corvair. . . .   Oh, wait, Corvairs are Chevies. . . . . .
 
Fordboy

[Milwaukee Midget]

Kind of makes you long for the simplicity of a Corvair. . . .   Oh, wait, Corvairs are Chevies. . . . . .

If I were longing for simplicity, a Chevy would be high on my list.

No, I'm longing for improbable success, and what makes it worse is my conviction that I'm going to achieve it. 

[fordboy628]

Kind of makes you long for the simplicity of a Corvair. . . .   Oh, wait, Corvairs are Chevies. . . . . .

If I were longing for simplicity, a Chevy would be high on my list.

No, I'm longing for improbable success, and what makes it worse is my conviction that I'm going to achieve it.  

Midget,

Ah yes, longing for improbable success. . . . .    kinda like fantasizing about a porn star. . . . . ? ? ? ?

Well, like a modern day Rod Serling, may I submit for your approval:    (Make sure you can control yourself before viewing further. . . . )

Pommey Car Porn from the Twilight Zone, BMC "A" subculture. . . .



Some pics of a Factory 8 port crossflow iron race head, vintage year ?     According to my sources, first casting type/style.    Unfortunately, head needs serious repairs and porting is in the style of the 60's/70's.   Thanks to the Northern Illinois Mini Maven for access and permission for pics.

Just the existance of this piece lends credence to the tales of special "Factory" bits from BMC for the selected & annoited teams & racers. . . .
 
Fordboy

[Milwaukee Midget]

I knew it - these need a custom cam.  Remember when I was stammering on the phone last night?  Note intake and exhaust arrangement -

front to back -

E-I-E-I-E-I-E-I oh no

Whereas on a stock head we've got

E-I-I-E-E-I-I-E

I knew I wasn't losing my mind.

Ooooh - those ARE sexy!

[fordboy628]

Pommey Car Porn from the Twilight Zone, BMC "A" subculture. . . . Part Deux. . .



More pics of another Factory 8 port crossflow iron race head, vintage year ?     According to my sources, subsequent casting type/style.    Unfortunately, head also needs serious repairs and porting is in the style of the 60's/70's.   Thanks again to the Northern Illinois Mini Maven for access and permission for pics.

Now the tales of special "Factory" bits from BMC for the selected & annoited teams & racers, is starting to become more believable.
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Fordboy

[Milwaukee Midget]

I'm peeing my pants! 

Is that a FACTORY CASTING NUMBER?

[fordboy628]

Pommey Car Porn from the Twilight Zone, BMC "A" subculture. . . . Part Trois. . .



What happens when you can't have the "Factory" special bits, AND, you have more money than you know what to do with?  This is what.

ALLOY clone of the Factory 8 port crossflow iron race head, style/type 2, vintage year ?   This head is NEW, never run, awaiting only the touch & caresses of a serious BMC pervert.   Porting and valve sizes reflect more current thinking regarding airflow.  Head has accessory bits to fit up Lucas or Tecalemit-Jackson fuel injection, in the style of the 60's/70's timed mechanical fuel injection.   I suspect that any of the 3 of these could be converted to EFI with the proper ECU. . . . . . .          Thanks again to the Northern Illinois Mini Maven for access and permission for pics.

Regarding the EIEI O, valve layout, if you feel strongly about it, change your name to: Old MacDonald!!!

Uhmm, yes, those are factory casting numbers on the tops of the iron heads. . . . . . .    hmmm. . . . . sounds SCTA legal to me.
 
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Fordboy

[Milwaukee Midget]

Uhmm, yes, those are factory casting numbers on the tops of the iron heads. . . . . . .    hmmm. . . . . sounds SCTA legal to me.
 
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Fordboy

I'll be making an inquiry - it's kinda "iffy", but it certainly won't hurt to ask.  I do know this - I'd have to be certain I could document their pedigree.

I'm not going to be able to get ANYTHING done today . . .

[Elmo Rodge]

I'm beginning to think you guys type with more than two fingers.  Wayno

[Milwaukee Midget]

I'm beginning to think you guys type with more than two fingers.   Wayno

When something this rare shows up, I use my nose, too . . .  

[fordboy628]

Uhmm, yes, those are factory casting numbers on the tops of the iron heads. . . . . . .    hmmm. . . . . sounds SCTA legal to me.
 
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Fordboy

I'll be making an inquiry - it's kinda "iffy", but it certainly won't hurt to ask.  I do know this - I'd have to be certain I could document their pedigree.

I'm not going to be able to get ANYTHING done today . . .

Pommey Car Porn from the Twilight Zone, BMC "A" subculture. . . . Part Quatre. . .

Midget,

Perhaps these pics will help your cause.   View the originals on my account @ PhotoBucket.   Thank Freud for motivating me to learn more about photo editing.   Thanks also from me Freud.   I am now able to put a pig's head on all my mom's photos. . .    Don't ask. . . . .

Cropped shots of cylinder head #1.    Clearly shows BMC style part # with a "12G?" AND the word "MOWOG"   Try not to soil your keyboard!!!!!

Cylinder head #2 clearly shows a BMC style part # "128?".   The second pic is less clear.  I can't make it all out, but it appears to be "?OWOG"  Anyhow I know where it lives. . . . .

Cylinder head #1 seems to be the odds on favorite at the moment, due only to lack of rust.   Probably rusted due to some BMC enthusiast's bodily fluids. . . . . .

You are going to need a real BMC historian to ferret out the story on these bits.    You are welcome, I think.  Try not to get sidetracked or dehydrated. . .
 
Fordboy

[Andy Cooke]

isn't it a grp5 injected head from '67, or is that too obvious? 

have you trawled this site btw?

http://mk1-performance-conversions.co.uk/mk1_index.htm

Andy

[Milwaukee Midget]

isn't it a grp5 injected head from '67, or is that too obvious? 

have you trawled this site btw?

http://mk1-performance-conversions.co.uk/mk1_index.htm

Andy

Thanks for that, Andy.  I did come across these two threads -

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://seventiesgarage.forumserv.com/t3-8-ports.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D707%2B1280%2BMOWOG%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1C2LDJZ_enUS511US518%26biw%3D1066%26bih%3D532&sa=X&ei=A1AqUajiG-iA0AHVp4GoCw&sqi=2&ved=0CFEQ7gEwBQ

http://www.minimag.co.uk/minimag-forum/showthread.php?t=253
 

The question is if SCTA will let me run it - and I suspect a phone call during the Daytona 500 will only cause somebody to say "no" without even hearing an argument.